diff --git a/channeld/channeld.c b/channeld/channeld.c
index 480dfdb398bd..c56ccec1382f 100644
--- a/channeld/channeld.c
+++ b/channeld/channeld.c
@@ -2749,7 +2749,12 @@ static void handle_feerates(struct peer *peer, const u8 *inmsg)
 	 */
 	if (peer->channel->funder == LOCAL) {
 		peer->desired_feerate = feerate;
-		start_commit_timer(peer);
+		/* Don't do this for the first feerate, wait until something else
+		 * happens.  LND seems to get upset in some cases otherwise:
+		 * see https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/issues/3596 */
+		if (peer->next_index[LOCAL] != 1
+		    || peer->next_index[REMOTE] != 1)
+			start_commit_timer(peer);
 	} else {
 		/* BOLT #2:
 		 *
diff --git a/tests/test_connection.py b/tests/test_connection.py
index 7aac83df5ef9..67b15131c4f0 100644
--- a/tests/test_connection.py
+++ b/tests/test_connection.py
@@ -1367,7 +1367,6 @@ def test_update_fee(node_factory, bitcoind):
 
     # Make l1 send out feechange.
     l1.set_feerates((14000, 11000, 7500, 3750))
-    l2.daemon.wait_for_log('peer updated fee to 14000')
 
     # Now make sure an HTLC works.
     # (First wait for route propagation.)
@@ -1376,6 +1375,8 @@ def test_update_fee(node_factory, bitcoind):
 
     # Make payments.
     l1.pay(l2, 200000000)
+    # First payment causes fee update.
+    l2.daemon.wait_for_log('peer updated fee to 14000')
     l2.pay(l1, 100000000)
 
     # Now shutdown cleanly.
@@ -1755,13 +1756,16 @@ def test_no_fee_estimate(node_factory, bitcoind, executor):
 @unittest.skipIf(not DEVELOPER, "needs --dev-disconnect")
 def test_funder_feerate_reconnect(node_factory, bitcoind):
     # l1 updates fees, then reconnect so l2 retransmits commitment_signed.
-    disconnects = ['-WIRE_COMMITMENT_SIGNED']
+    disconnects = ['-WIRE_COMMITMENT_SIGNED*3']
     l1 = node_factory.get_node(may_reconnect=True,
                                feerates=(7500, 7500, 7500, 7500))
     l2 = node_factory.get_node(disconnect=disconnects, may_reconnect=True)
     l1.rpc.connect(l2.info['id'], 'localhost', l2.port)
     l1.fund_channel(l2, 10**6)
 
+    # Need a payment otherwise it won't update fee.
+    l1.pay(l2, 10**9 // 2)
+
     # create fee update, causing disconnect.
     l1.set_feerates((15000, 11000, 7500, 3750))
     l2.daemon.wait_for_log(r'dev_disconnect: \-WIRE_COMMITMENT_SIGNED')