Please render amenity=lounger

[demsjf8]

...ideally with its own symbol. Or, as stop-gap, or permanently (to counter one aspect of "Too many icons"), e.g. with the same symbol as "amenity=bench", given they serve a similar purpose, very roughly at least. And showing loungers as benches may be better than showing nothing at all.

Currently, default OSM style does not render "amenity=lounger" at all.

OsmAnd recently made changes to display loungers with their own symbols going forward.

iD also shows loungers with their own symbol.

At this time, there aren't too many loungers yet (OSM wiki indicates about 1500 nodes carrying the tag). But they are being installed more and more in recent years, and mappers start mapping them with that tag right from the start (rather than using amenity=bench), or even re-tag loungers previously tagged as bench to lounger.

So there is a clearly accelerating trend that the number of loungers mapped as amenity=lounger is increasing since it was apparently first introduced in 2018, in my view warranting for it to be rendered in the OSM default map in one way or another (rather than being "invisible" there).

As additional input, please see the discussion regarding OsmAnd adding support for rendering loungers.

[polarbearing]

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dlounger

These items seem to violate the OSM principle:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map_temporary_events_and_temporary_features

[demsjf8]

I understand those items are "approved", so I'd assume that there was some kind of consensus as to their "legality".

Are you saying that process was flawed, and it should be reopened?

[Ltrlg]

These items seem to violate the OSM principle:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map_temporary_events_and_temporary_features

Both usages documented on the wiki page are permanent enough for being accepted by this rule. The first type is just as permanent as most benches.

[imagico]

amenity=lounger has 1500 uses predominantly in Germany.

The documentation indicates its primary purpose to be mapping mobile furniture - which as others have indicated does not belong in OSM and we should therefore not support in rendering. De facto use of the tag is however predominantly for fixed installations - see for example here for a style very common in Germany in the past years. If a consensus on tagging those in a distinct fashion (i.e. distinct from the questionable mapping of mobile furniture) develops and is documented then i would find it in principle suitable for rendering here.

Note however designing a suitably generic symbol would still be a challenge. It is advisable to have a look at past discussion about distinct rendering of benches with backrest in #3187.

[jeisenbe]

As mentioned above, this tag is not widely used yet, and is geographically limited. We should close this issue for now, but it can be re-opened in the future if this tag becomes more widely used and clearly defined.

[hungerburg]

These pop up en masse here, taginfo https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=lounger#chronology speaks volumes. Curiously, my design shows different in the preview below and as a single item. Designed as hollow, but perhaps looks better when solid.

once more the design

Not many pictures on the web, this one looks a bit like those that are in the parks, on the side of walks in the woods - https://www.moodntone.com/24282-large_default/wave-lounge-chair-nature.jpg - perhaps a tag missing? But it is sold as lounger.

PS: I created https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/rfc-loungers-in-public-space/100098 to get some feedback on what things the tag is used for.

[hungerburg]

I called the taginfo overpass turbo query in JOSM with bing background and did some panning and zooming - the tag is almost exclusively used in public recreational areas.

Usage on nodes outweighs that on areas by far. A lot of the areas are 1×2 m micro-mapped wooden loungers. Usage in the "approved" sense as an area with mobile equipment is extremely rare. It should be trivial to exclude such uses not in line with core openstreetmap principles by only selecting nodes with the tag, i.e. treating loungers like benches.

Spread is still mostly Europe, but a bit wider than in 2021. taginfo snapshot for (later) reference:

Perhaps this mirrors on the ground appearance of the thing? Below reworked proposed icon, mock-up screenshot and single graphic, modelled after the "wave-lounger" that I see so often. Municipal gardening pushes them, people like them.

[imagico]

To be clear - there is currently no consensus visible from how the tag is used regarding:

• the tag being limited to permanent stationary structures.
• a distinction between a single person beach/pool lounger, a smaller social like a bench but to lie down type structure and larger sunbathing platform suitable for a larger number of people.

Probably owed to the lack of agreement on such basic questions use of the tag varies strongly between different parts of the world - depending on local customs. Until this is resolved and we have tagging that at least in a basic form allows you to determine what is to be found there other than _some structure on which a person might be able to lie down in some form i see no basis for rendering it here - even if locally somewhere the tag is used in large number with a specific meaning.

So far no clear trend is visible in any such direction, on the contrary, compared to 2021 when the majority of uses was within Germany predominantly for the specific type of structure mentioned, other uses (like beach/pool but also what are likely resting chairs in train stations or airports) have expanded as well.

Discussion of symbol design only makes sense once it is clear what the symbol is meant to indicate.

[hungerburg]

As if there were no more pressing issues, I dug a little into subject, and I learned, that indeed beach loungers are what the proposal mostly shows in examples (and OsmAnd uses for rendering.) Curiously the German documentation could be read as advocating to tag the hole Lido di Jesolo as a single area with "natural=beach;amenity=lounger" perhaps adding "reservation=url://", notwithstanding that yearly caterpillars create the natural and a lido is not a lounger. As that was not in the proposal I ventured to change the documentation, but you certainly are right: only time will tell what the mapping community considers just.

[pnorman]

Usage has spread, and seems consistent. In practice, amenity=lounger is seldom used with non-no seasonal values. There are 11 places in Europe where someone has mapped something as a seasonal lounger.

The documentation could use updating to reflect real usage.

Because they are very similar to benches in use and we have too many icons, an icon should be found that works for both benches and loungers. Even if we would have a dedicated icon for it, I don't think it should look like a wave lounger, as that's just one specific type.

I have no ideas what an icon that would cover both benches and loungers while still being identifiable would look like.