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OBO Core population #20
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Early discussion: https://code.google.com/archive/p/popcomm-ontology/issues/2. A key consideration was distinguishing between a population in the biological sense and a population in the statistical sense. What many people think of as a population is http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/PCO_0000001, 'population of organisms'. |
Population classes in OBO ontologies (from an Ontobee search): http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/PCO_0000001: A collection of organisms, all of the same species, that live in the same place. http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/OBI_0000181: A population is a collection of individuals from the same taxonomic class living, counted or sampled at a particular site or in a particular area http://semanticscience.org/resource/SIO_001061: A population is all the organisms that both belong to the same group or species and live in the same geographical area. http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/IDOMAL_0001254: A population is a collection of individuals from the same taxonomic class living, counted or sampled at a particular site or in a particular area. [database_cross_reference: OBI:0000181] http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/OMIT_0012119: (no definition) http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/NCIT_C17005: A group of individuals united by a common factor (e.g., geographic location, ethnicity, disease, age, gender) |
I tend to favor the NCIT definition best I think. For example, in population health contexts, such as the 'population of rare disease patients" , which are in the same geographical area so much as you might say the country or the world, so that doesn't seem a very useful distinction. |
@mellybelly While I agree that geographic area is vague, it is the way that most ecology and evolutionary textbooks define a population. The NCIT definition is very human focused and doesn't seem relevant to most population biology outside biomedicine. http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/PCO_0000001 is intentionally very general, so that more specific subclasses can be defined for use cases like human population studies. The comment helps to clarify: "It is sometimes difficult to define the physical boundaries of a population. In the case of sexually reproducing organisms, the individuals within a population have the potential to reproduce with one another during the course of their lifetimes. 'Community', as often used to describe a group of humans, is a type of population." Perhaps it should be included in the definition. |
Note that when a decision is made on how to define |
+1 to broad definition of population that encompasses population biology.
This definition of population by PCO is the one we re-use in Apollo-SV, and
that is how we understand it. Going too narrow with 'population' to cover
only human types of things would cause us a fair amount of trouble.
…On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 6:35 PM Ramona Walls ***@***.***> wrote:
@mellybelly <https://github.com/mellybelly> While I agree that geographic
area is vague, it is the way that most ecology and evolutionary textbooks
define a population. The NCIT definition is very human focused and doesn't
seem relevant to most population biology outside biomedicine.
PCO_000001 is intentionally very general, so that more specific subclasses
can be defined for use cases like human population studies. The comment
helps to clarify:
"It is sometimes difficult to define the physical boundaries of a
population. In the case of sexually reproducing organisms, the individuals
within a population have the potential to reproduce with one another during
the course of their lifetimes. 'Community', as often used to describe a
group of humans, is a type of population."
Perhaps it should be included in the definition.
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My intuitive understanding of population is that it is always individuals
of the same species. In general, we should err on the side of broadening
terms for the core. Geographic limitations seem too restrictive. How about
taking the PCO parent class instead as population of organisms?
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+1 to broad definition of population that encompasses population biology.
This definition of population by PCO is the one we re-use in Apollo-SV, and
that is how we understand it. Going too narrow with 'population' to cover
only human types of things would cause us a fair amount of trouble.
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> @mellybelly <https://github.com/mellybelly> While I agree that
geographic
> area is vague, it is the way that most ecology and evolutionary textbooks
> define a population. The NCIT definition is very human focused and
doesn't
> seem relevant to most population biology outside biomedicine.
>
> PCO_000001 is intentionally very general, so that more specific
subclasses
> can be defined for use cases like human population studies. The comment
> helps to clarify:
>
> "It is sometimes difficult to define the physical boundaries of a
> population. In the case of sexually reproducing organisms, the
individuals
> within a population have the potential to reproduce with one another
during
> the course of their lifetimes. 'Community', as often used to describe a
> group of humans, is a type of population."
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> Perhaps it should be included in the definition.
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No one is advocating for a human-specific definition, obviously.
Melissa suggested the NCIT definition as base:
"A group of individuals united by a common factor"
Ramona objected as being human-centric, perhaps the term "individuals"? But
I think the point of Melissa's suggestion was to avoid the vaguesness of
"same geopgraphic area", and to avoid making it *inapplicable* to some
human populations
…On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 4:08 PM Bill Hogan ***@***.***> wrote:
+1 to broad definition of population that encompasses population biology.
This definition of population by PCO is the one we re-use in Apollo-SV, and
that is how we understand it. Going too narrow with 'population' to cover
only human types of things would cause us a fair amount of trouble.
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wrote:
> @mellybelly <https://github.com/mellybelly> While I agree that
geographic
> area is vague, it is the way that most ecology and evolutionary textbooks
> define a population. The NCIT definition is very human focused and
doesn't
> seem relevant to most population biology outside biomedicine.
>
> PCO_000001 is intentionally very general, so that more specific
subclasses
> can be defined for use cases like human population studies. The comment
> helps to clarify:
>
> "It is sometimes difficult to define the physical boundaries of a
> population. In the case of sexually reproducing organisms, the
individuals
> within a population have the potential to reproduce with one another
during
> the course of their lifetimes. 'Community', as often used to describe a
> group of humans, is a type of population."
>
> Perhaps it should be included in the definition.
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Yes that is exactly correct @cmungall. Not all populations are defined by a geographical location by some definitions (though this could be a subclass). I don't see that "individual" is human centric, but if it feels that way and to be more specific, we could write: "A group of individual organisms united by a common factor (e.g., geographic location, ethnicity, disease, age, gender, etc.) or simply: "A group of organisms united by a common factor (e.g., geographic location, ethnicity, disease, age, gender, etc.)" factor could also be attribute or feature, both of which I might prefer. |
I like Melissa's proposal. Modifying it a bit in the light of Chris recent
blog post on how to write definitions
"A group of organisms that share a common feature. Shared features can be a
quality, location, disease, etc."
…On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 9:37 PM Melissa Haendel ***@***.***> wrote:
Yes that is exactly correct @cmungall <https://github.com/cmungall>. Not
all populations are defined by a geographical location by some definitions
(though this could be a subclass). I don't see that "individual" is human
centric, but if it feels that way and to be more specific, we could write:
"A group of individual *organisms* united by a common factor (e.g.,
geographic location, ethnicity, disease, age, gender, etc.)
or simply:
"A group of organisms united by a common factor (e.g., geographic
location, ethnicity, disease, age, gender, etc.)"
factor could also be attribute or feature, both of which I might prefer.
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We have had all of this discussion already. See references to the older notes documents earlier in this thread. Some of it is explained in https://environmentalmicrobiome.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1944-3277-9-17. The conclusion was to have a very general class called If you want to define "A group of organisms that share a common feature. Shared features can be a |
But I would urge them to not use the label "population" for those subclasses. Instead, use a more specific label that describes their use of the word. |
Sorry Ramona, I had blanked on those previous discussions. You are right that we should re-use these hard-fought-over labels and definitions. |
Per discussion on the OBO ops call on 8/27, there was general agreement to add |
Issue to document the history and usage of terms for population in the OBO foundry and library.
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